Comments on: From Cocaine to Monkeys: Bolivia Travel, 10 First Impressions https://uncorneredmarket.com/cocaine-to-monkeys-bolivia-10-first-impressions/ Travel That Cares for Our Planet and Its People Sun, 18 Feb 2018 22:01:24 +0000 hourly 1 By: Audrey Scott https://uncorneredmarket.com/cocaine-to-monkeys-bolivia-10-first-impressions/#comment-428222 Sun, 10 Jun 2012 00:56:36 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=2585#comment-428222 @Carlos: Thanks for your long comment and sharing your thoughts on some of what we wrote above during our two-month visit to Bolivia in 2009. We spent over 15 months in Latin America so while we can never understand the local situation as well as a local, we were talking with local Bolivians in cities and rural areas in forming some of the impressions you see above. The fifteen months we spent in Latin America also provided some comparisons and contrasts. I’m sorry if you found some of these observations as offensive.

If you read some other posts on our website, you will see that we agree that corruption is universal (but takes different forms everywhere), what the US charges for visas is ridiculous as it doesn’t guarantee an actual visa, and how big aid and organizations can do more harm than good (this is why we like working with certain microfinance organizations).

Food is subjective to personal tastes and so we were just sharing our opinion, even after eating many of the dishes you had recommended. As for the reaction to a stolen phone, we were comparing the reaction to a similar theft (small camera) in another Latin American country where we had a very easy time getting a report for our insurance company. Thefts happen everywhere – it’s just part of traveling so we don’t take it personally.

Thanks again for sharing your perspective and hope you enjoy some of the other posts on Bolivia from our visit!

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By: Carlos Zarate https://uncorneredmarket.com/cocaine-to-monkeys-bolivia-10-first-impressions/#comment-427128 Fri, 08 Jun 2012 17:45:54 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=2585#comment-427128 I was so pleased to stumble upon your web site however as i was very disappointed by your superficial impressions, comments and misunderstanding of Bolivia. Probably best not to take the local customs and law so personally, especially traffic – did you drive in that madhouse? I almost went crazy before i realized i was in an entirely different paradigm. Bolivia IS the uncornered market…

I guess first impression are mostly determined by prejudice (pre-judgement), but let me see if i can help dispel some of your misconceptions.
# 2 Please don’t confuse resignation with acceptance, that is they way thing are, but corruption is not exclusive to Bolivia, by any means, just look around wherever you are right now – it may not be readily apparent but it is there.
# 3 I say water with crap is better than water from Bechtel, sad thing is the water with crap is affordable. When Becthel declared that all the water (even the rain water) was the property of this US San Francisco based company, the people of Bolivia where willing to protest, fight and die for the right to claim that the water of Bolivia belongs to the people of Bolivia.
# 5 Nothing is free, please look at the impact of these USAID gifts of good will. They make the poor people of world, not only Bolivia dependent while destroying local agriculture self sufficiency and the self pride that comes from being SELF sufficient. I applaud Bolvians for wanting to stand on their own two feet.
# 8 your crazy! or addicted to Micky-DeeDeeDees, either way your crazy; Sajta de pollo, Puca-capas, aji de fideo, Kara pecho, Majadito, sopa de mani, Chairito, chicharron, fricase, chuno puty, ala-ap-tapi, ummmmm so good. And did you taste the beef, a $3.00 asado from the mercado is better than any 100$ Chris Ruth’s stake any day of the week.

# 9 Its called reciprocity, 135$ is the same cost that any Bolivian is charged by the US embassy to apply for a US visa- not to be granted one (most are rejected-and loose the $135. So imagine if you from a wealthy country feel cheated to have to pay 135 to GET a visa, most Bolivians have donate 135 $ just to apply to get one. All most get is a visit to heavily secured interior of the US embassy in La Paz to be told NO! Not even a thank you for your $135.

Final thought on your phone, what did you expect everyone to jump up and do something? In America if they break into your house and steal everything you own the police will come and take a report, that is it, they will then file it at the end of the day and nothing will ever happen-whats the difference?

Thanks for your writing, I really appreciated reading it. I hope that on your next trip you travel with an even lighter pack.

Thank you, Namaste.

-Carlos

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By: Daniel Noll https://uncorneredmarket.com/cocaine-to-monkeys-bolivia-10-first-impressions/#comment-9020 Sun, 21 Feb 2010 07:42:13 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=2585#comment-9020 @Blaž: Our monkey friends at the sanctuary were incredible. The one that I’m pictured with (who wrapped my fingers around the fruit and also brought nuts to crush under my foot) was especially clever.

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By: Blaž https://uncorneredmarket.com/cocaine-to-monkeys-bolivia-10-first-impressions/#comment-9014 Sun, 21 Feb 2010 06:45:09 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=2585#comment-9014 Huh, I was touched by the story of the monkey placing fruits into your hands and wrapping your fingers arround … I would have melted at site!

Keep well!
Blaž

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By: Legal Nomads https://uncorneredmarket.com/cocaine-to-monkeys-bolivia-10-first-impressions/#comment-4637 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:39:06 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=2585#comment-4637 Excellent tree pose atop the wine bottle. 100% Legal Nomads approved 😉

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By: Daniel Noll https://uncorneredmarket.com/cocaine-to-monkeys-bolivia-10-first-impressions/#comment-4636 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:23:14 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=2585#comment-4636 Thanks everyone for the very thoughtful comments. So many threads here. This is the sort of conversation we really enjoy.

@Pete: Family in Cochabamba? Wish we knew. I think we are going to start putting itinerary details at the top of our “Where We’re Going” page for cases like this. The story of the balding spectacled bear is very sad (she looks like a rhino crossed with a Chinese crested dog, by the way).
@Akila: You have made the case: economic incentive is one of the strongest forces alive in the realm of human behavior.
@BrianJUY: We’ll be headed there sometime early next year, depending in part on our Argentina itinerary (after Bolivia and Paraguay).
@Dave and Deb: Hopefully as humanity finds a way to make oil worthless, we can simultaneously tackle the scarcity of clean water. We are often shocked by how little value seems to be placed on nature and its resources…by corporations, individuals, interlopers and natives.
@Jodi: Wow, and we thought we received some rough treatment. We actually had a fairly good experience at the Witches’ Market in La Paz, resulting in a 15-20 minute discussion with one of the indigenous vendors there. She began by explaining the various amulets, and we somehow ended up talking about our families, where we were from, etc. We’ll be sure to get our hands on the Devil’s Picnic. We have a growing “must read” list from our travels in Latin America. The Salar photos are up. We tended to focus on the natural, but there are a couple of photos in there of us doing tree poses atop a wine bottle:

@Pauline: You have read our observations very closely. From this piece, it’s fair to come to the conclusion that Bolivia is very much to itself in many ways. That said, we have headed east and the attitude appears to be changing – noticeably friendlier, more open, less insular. The only thing I would add: the outside influence has historically been from Europe and the U.S. In the current political environment, economic and political influence seems to be coming from Venezuela.
@Tim: Certainly, the $135 visa fee plays a role in Americans visiting Bolivia. But how big a role, I’d hesitate to say without seeing data. There was a day (only a few years ago) before the reciprocity fee — and it’s not particularly clear that there were loads of American visitors then, either. Although the Bolivian visa fee may sound hefty, long-term travelers to Bolivia will more than make up the visa fee within a few weeks because the cost of travel is less than in Ecuador and Peru. On the subject of worthwhile sights, we found the Bolivian salt flats to be amazing. Coupling that with a visit to Lake Titicaca, La Paz, the jungle and drinking some nice inexpensive wines here in Tarija, a case could be made to visit Bolivia and amortize/spread the $135 over the life of your trip.
@Gaea: Part 2 is being brewed as we speak. Tarija is quite different in temperament than the rest of the Bolivia, particularly the altiplano. And yes, the wine. Always helps to have some reasonably priced good food and wine around to help one contemplate a place.

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By: Gaea https://uncorneredmarket.com/cocaine-to-monkeys-bolivia-10-first-impressions/#comment-4605 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:07:17 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=2585#comment-4605 I enjoyed this piece and as (to my mom’s relief) we got to be travel buddies for some the time I vouch – these impressions impressed me – they’re honest. I look forward to part two especially after we visited that desert planet and its moons [that’s where we went right?] . . . and Tarija – wine country always sounds lovely. Was it?

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By: Tim L. https://uncorneredmarket.com/cocaine-to-monkeys-bolivia-10-first-impressions/#comment-4599 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:52:10 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=2585#comment-4599 Yes, a $135 permission slip is a HUGE reason more Americans don’t go to Bolivia. Why would you when much more attractive Ecuador and Peru only make you pay 1/3 of that, and as an exit fee at the airport? (Less overland). Chile can get away with that because most of its visitors are on an expensive trip to Patagonia and this is just one small part of that. But if you’re coming to Bolivia as a backpacker, that’s a week’s worth of expenses, money not going to food, lodging, and transportation.

To me that’s the government saying, “We don’t want you here.” (Just as our government is signaling the same thing to its visitors—and I don’t blame people for giving the U.S. a pass as a result.)

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By: PaulineF https://uncorneredmarket.com/cocaine-to-monkeys-bolivia-10-first-impressions/#comment-4594 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:31:16 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=2585#comment-4594 Fascinating post, and I do think there’s a narrative here (and not just a collection of observations). It seems like Bolivia is a country that’s very much in its own sphere and hoping to stay that way. What I’m getting from your writing is that contact from outsiders is accepted, but not embraced, whether that contact is social or political in nature. But despite that reticence, outside forces have been shaping life here–in the attempts at USAid (and control of narcotics), in the market for those narcotics, in the destruction of indigenous cuisine–mostly with negative results.

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By: Legal Nomads https://uncorneredmarket.com/cocaine-to-monkeys-bolivia-10-first-impressions/#comment-4580 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:10:55 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/?p=2585#comment-4580 Great post and astute observations, as always. I too found Bolivians (both indigenous populations and otherwise) to be reticient to be in or near photos. In the Mercado de Hecheria, a woman actually threw fruit at my head because she thought I was taking her picture (I wasn’t) and then told me I’d need to buy her a llama fetus to make up for my Pyrrhic photo skillz. Ah good times. Re the coca farmers, it’s worth reading the chapter on coca leaves in The Devil’s Picnic. Good history and informative writing by Taras Grescoe. Looking forward to the Tupiza Tours writeup and seeing your optical illusions photos! – Jodi

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