Comments on: Sapa – First Impressions https://uncorneredmarket.com/sapa-first-impressions/ Travel That Cares for Our Planet and Its People Fri, 26 Apr 2024 16:51:51 +0000 hourly 1 By: Audrey Scott https://uncorneredmarket.com/sapa-first-impressions/#comment-1465066 Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:15:27 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/2007/01/sapa-%e2%80%93-first-impressions/#comment-1465066 In reply to Ann.

Ann, the distance will depend on which tour and villages you choose to visit as there are quite a few options. For our trip, it was a couple of hours of walking spread out over an afternoon – not very intense. There are also motorbikes around if you do decide you need a lift. If you do a lot of hiking already you should be OK, but just double check with the tour company/guide on the exact route, distance, and elevation.

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By: Ann https://uncorneredmarket.com/sapa-first-impressions/#comment-1465009 Fri, 30 Sep 2016 19:50:02 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/2007/01/sapa-%e2%80%93-first-impressions/#comment-1465009 I am going to Hanoi then Sapa in February. What is the distance from village to village. We are in our early 70s and want make sure we can do the trip before starting out. We do alot of hiking,

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By: Audrey Scott https://uncorneredmarket.com/sapa-first-impressions/#comment-1464470 Mon, 04 Jul 2016 16:16:23 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/2007/01/sapa-%e2%80%93-first-impressions/#comment-1464470 In reply to Evans Lyne.

Evans, I’m really glad to hear that you had such a good experience in Sapa and were able to make a strong personal connection there to this family. While I am not against people selling things — as you rightly point out, we all need to make a living and take care of our family — I still do not like being viewed or treated as a dollar bill instead of a fellow human. And that was what I took issue with during our experience in Sapa. It sounds like you had a different experience during your visit, and I do hope that other visitors will have similar experiences where everyone has something to share and learn.

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By: Evans Lyne https://uncorneredmarket.com/sapa-first-impressions/#comment-1464457 Fri, 01 Jul 2016 02:31:11 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/2007/01/sapa-%e2%80%93-first-impressions/#comment-1464457 I just returned from Sapa and have a somewhat different take on the sale of goods than Audrey does. Some women and children “latched onto” me and my daughter in Lao Chai and accompanied us on the path to Ta Van. I gladly bought some things from them at the end of the day and thought the work was pretty and fairly well done. One woman even told me to avoid some of her own wares because they were machine made. They warned me to watch my cash to avoid pickpockets. I learned a good deal from them and gladly accepted the offer to walk to their home for lunch in a more distant village the next day, fully intending to pay them for their guide service and the meal. At the end, they did mot ask to be paid for that service, but again offered goods for sale. The great grandmother of the house was sitting in the doorway doing the needlework while we ate and talked. I learned how they did not allow their daughters to go to Sapa because children are apparently kidnapped and sold there. The going rate for a little girl is about $5000. I felt that the money I spent was a good value. I got a guide, a meal, and some keepsakes and gifts for what I have often paid just for guide service.

Everyone has something to sell – me, the women of Sapa, and even the author of this blog. Some people simply are more direct than others. When we worry that we are corrupting their culture buy buying items, it seems that we are really wanting to live with the comforts of the 21st century ourselves but keep others living in a 17th century world so we can go there and observe them, almost like a zoo.

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By: Audrey Scott https://uncorneredmarket.com/sapa-first-impressions/#comment-1459536 Mon, 09 Jun 2014 13:05:28 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/2007/01/sapa-%e2%80%93-first-impressions/#comment-1459536 Ivy, thanks so much for your comment and sharing your experiences in the SaPa area. So glad to hear that Su is still working as a tour guide and that you had good memories. Like you said, it’s impossible for places not to change due to tourism and foreigners, but that we tourists do have the power to spend money in places where we think it will stay local and benefit the people in the best ways. If local people are not rewarded by some of the sales tactics through having kids sell goods or kids carrying kids, then there’s a likelihood that these tactics will stop if they don’t create sales.

So glad this piece brought back good memories!

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By: ivy https://uncorneredmarket.com/sapa-first-impressions/#comment-1459423 Fri, 23 May 2014 12:10:39 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/2007/01/sapa-%e2%80%93-first-impressions/#comment-1459423 I stumbled across your blog as I was searching for the correct spelling of the Hmong tribe. The moment I saw and started to read my heart stopped for a fraction of a moment, and the longing to sit on those mountains returned. We just returned from South East Asia and people ask me, what was your favourite. I had to say Vietnam – namely Sa Pa, and Cambodia.
We also had Su as our guide on our trek, she was a great guide and was also strategic in bringing her many friends to be our friends. I asked her directly why these women were following us, did they work with her? she was very upfront about what was happening. I appreciated her honesty, and continued to enjoy The trek – I wished I was a mountain goat. Walking their mountains/hills, (mountains that hid their tops in the mist, like they were some mysterious secret), was a stirring experience for me, one that I wont forget easily.

I too experienced the clawing of the tribeswomen to buy their goods, and only bought the things that I liked and wanted, yup was a guilt buy on one count, but the bracelets I bought, while not high street goods, bring a summer warmth to my chest when I see them. I wear them often along with a ring I saw and liked on an elderly lady’s hand, she removed it and sold it to me very quickly- it was covered with Indigo Ink – I love that ring.

In town Sa Pa I was disheartened by some of the tactics used to solicit a sale, (babies carrying babies in the late night), but felt responsible, I go to these places in search of something new, in my case, something old and unspoiled, because we tire of our daily grind, and to also grab shopping at ridiculous prices. Did I really think I was going to be an invisible, no impact tourist – I actually did think that – ignorant much!

However like in all business models the vendor and supplier can choose how to spend earnings, and I can only hope the money I spent be it on their street food, clothing, tips and bike ride – when I left my GOPRO in CatCat and had to rush down and up before our ride back to train 1 hour, got to Cat Cat and shop vendor had it sitting there hoping we would come back ooo such refreshing honesty!!!! – goes on improving their lives in some shape or form.

Despite the sadness, it is still one of my favourite experiences (better than Rome), and your blog and pics are a fantastic reminder of a place that has etched itself in my memory. an pricked my travel conscience.

Thank you both for your memory trigger .!!!

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By: Audrey Scott https://uncorneredmarket.com/sapa-first-impressions/#comment-496332 Sun, 11 Nov 2012 17:55:50 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/2007/01/sapa-%e2%80%93-first-impressions/#comment-496332 @Cat: We have seen great CBT (community based tourism) projects in other countries that have really partnered with the local community so that people benefit economically, but do not lose their culture and social structures. It sounds like CBT Vietnam will be working closely with the villages along these lines. Good luck with your work there. Please report back to us on what you find and your experiences!

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By: Cat https://uncorneredmarket.com/sapa-first-impressions/#comment-492897 Fri, 09 Nov 2012 00:52:39 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/2007/01/sapa-%e2%80%93-first-impressions/#comment-492897 This is a great read, thank you! I’m hoping to head to the region in the spring to do some work with our CBT Vietnam project, which is hoping to address a lot of those ‘hard -selling’ tactics in villages along the hiking routes. Hopefully we can make a positive change, and maintain the cultural authenticity of the region. I’m hoping I get to go and experience this beautiful land and people! Thanks, this article will help with my interview. Cheers!

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By: Daniel Noll https://uncorneredmarket.com/sapa-first-impressions/#comment-708 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:13:47 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/2007/01/sapa-%e2%80%93-first-impressions/#comment-708 Tim: Thanks for your thoughtful comment. There is no easy answer as tourism and development drags people and their landscape into the modern era.

Your Vietnamese friend does have a point. But what are westerners looking for in a travel thrill? Perhaps they are looking for the primitive pastoral and living postcards of the days of yore? If so, they may just find that one day, there’s no more nostalgia left to go around.

On the bright side: even in some heavily-touristed areas and large cities, it’s still possible to find veins of “the way it was” and pockets of authenticity.

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By: Tim Mar https://uncorneredmarket.com/sapa-first-impressions/#comment-688 Mon, 24 Mar 2008 06:39:40 +0000 http://uncorneredmarket.com/2007/01/sapa-%e2%80%93-first-impressions/#comment-688 I was in Sapa in February 2008 with some Vietnamese speaking friends. We spoke about this problem of Western people wanting to see these ethnic minorities but are annoyed by their high pressure sales. Just by us being there, we are changing them. Western money will always win out over local culture, so who is at fault? There is no easy answer. But I left Sapa a little sad that I contributed to the profound changes that are coming. But as my Vietnamese friend said ” Westerners can always find a new travel thrill until that is used up” Something to think about!

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